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[prayformefather]

[Filtered away from Admiral Kirk]

[Hi, Barge. The younger, darker haired Kirkfais on board is not pleased with Jim's shenanigans, and is not bothering to hide this fact in the slightest. HE ALREADY HATED YOU ON PRINCIPLE FOR HAVING HIS FACE, AND NOW YOU DO THIS.

... Actually really he just kind of wants to make Jim's life miserable and doesn't care particularly about the take over itself. Luther is a little shit. :c]

So is anyone actually going to do something about this, or are we just going to sit around letting him get away with whatever he wants? I thought wardens were supposed to be, you know, people who wouldn't do this kind of thing?

And this is the second time he's done it? Why is he still a warden?

Comments

[buywithme]

Sister you have been here long enough to know that what you are saying is untrue. We don't demote our own because we do not have the authority to demote each other! Only the admiral can do it, and there have been plenty of times when plenty of wardens have tried extremely hard to convince him to do it, and you've been around long enough to have seen that as well.

I also notice that when I actively appealed to inmates who felt threatened or isolated, or who wanted to bring forward and discuss concerns and problems with wardens neglecting their duties or playing favorites, you stayed conspicuously silent? Or do you just conveniently forget everything that doesn't support you dishonest, histrionic fit, Sister?

You really need to grow up.

[prayformefather]

Nice to know someone knows what they're doing. [Not even being sarcastic, for once.]

[buywithme]

Uh, thank you.

Kirk will get in trouble for this. I don't think anyone's going to go after him, because previous attempts to get to the bridge have occasionally ended in painful deaths. There's something... maybe the equivalent of a fuel tank in the Barge, that people have accidentally breached a few times, and all we really know is that there's fire and problems afterward.

This was a very unprofessional, and dangerous thing for him to do, and once we make port he'll get thrown in level zero and probably beaten up some. It's really all we can do, Comrade.

[prayformefather]

How often do people try to get wardens demoted? [He's asking more because he's curious than anything else, he doesn't really have an interest in leading a KILL THE BEAST style mob after Kirk. It's not really his style.]

[buywithme]

Not so often now that it's clear that we can't do anything, but... it's happened.

Occasionally the pressure of living in a place like this becomes overwhelming, Wardens have been tortured, had threats made to their homes and families, or have had to see their inmates tortured and killed. Usually when a warden crosses the line and does something that brings up the discussion of demotion, it's after something really terrible has happened and they've just sort of snapped, but it always gets a response. It's never ignored or dismissed, no matter what Wanda's telling you.

[Private]

[prayformefather]

So what's her problem, then? Or is she just going through the inmate version of this kind of meltdown?

[Private]

[buywithme]

No, she's just being incredibly immature.

[Bitchy Prefect has his bitchy face on right now, because HE PUT UP A SUGGESTION BOX TO AVOID THIS KIND OF BULLSHIT DAMN IT >C]

...I wish I could tell you there was more to it than that, but... I don't think there is. She gets angry for valid reasons, like all of us do, and then she throws temper tantrums and looks for excuses to treat people badly and blame as many people as she can.

[Private]

[prayformefather]

Sounds like a real charmer. [Luther you have NO ROOM TO TALK.]

[Private]

[buywithme]

She's...

[nghhhh responsibility creeps back in.]

She's a good person. She just really, really needs to grow up.

[Private]

[prayformefather]

Yeah, well, I guess that's why she's here.

[Private]

[buywithme]

Yeah, I guess so.

I'm sorry, It's very rude of me to be introducing myself by telling someone else off in your post. My name's Prefect.

[Private]

[prayformefather]

Luther. And don't worry about it. I guess tensions are running pretty high all over the place.

[scarlet_discord]

Oh fuck off, Prefect. I'm sorry I ever tried to help you. You really can't handle any criticism of your in-group, can you?

Go to Hell, seriously. Go feed yourself through a fucking woodchipper. Certainly, get the fuck off my comm link.

[She breaks the connection.]

[buywithme]

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[He'll say it to dead air if he has too, he's still saying it. He has seen a time where wardens didn't face consequences for their actions, and he died in the rioting it caused. Acting like the barge is even close to being at that point pisses him right off.]

[not_annika]

Prefect. She's frustrated and has every right to be. She's also declared, publicly, that she's felt threatened and isolated on a number of occasions. Holding her choice not to follow the procedure you, in isolation, set out, against her is not logical.

She exaggerates yes because she doesn't feel listened to, not necessarily by you, but by individuals such as Kirk and those who have supported his aberrant behaviour. It is a normal human reaction to lash out when threatened and it unfortunate that it is not directed, but it is understandable. Telling her to 'grow up' is not a helpful reaction.

[buywithme]

This isn't exaggeration, Sister it's openly dishonest and she knows it is. You can't just start lying because you're upset, and being upset doesn't somehow magically make her points here valid, or acceptable things to say to a new inmate.

I don't hold against her that she didn't bother to come ask me for help, but I do hold it against her that it's impossible for her not to have known that the resource to seek help was explicitly present, and that without bothering to use it, she decides to accuse us of not doing our job. I don't hold against her the fact that she's angry and hurt, but I do hold against her the fact that she's lying, and that she does this every time she gets angry about something.

She's not a bad person. She's obviously not a bad person, but quite frankly, she does need to grow up.

[not_annika]

There are various individuals who do not respect her and have treated her with disrespect or outright obliviousness. It is true that not all wardens have treated her in this manner, but that is why I call it an exaggeration.

Your feelings that she has not given you or even other wardens sufficient credit does not give you the right to dismiss hers. She gets angry far more frequently than she displays on the network, am I to accuse you of falsehood or of exaggeration?

I do not suggest you not correct her on her misinformation, but telling her to grow up while dismissing her very real emotion is not how we treat an inmate in distress.

[buywithme]

Read over her comment, there are one or two lines of subjective truth in it, and the rest is willful dishonesty. Literally every single incident of this type that has occurred over the last three years had garnered a large response from wardens, and in every single incident we have done everything in our power to punish the one responsible. If you can think of a single time where we have just 'yelled at someone' for endangering our inmates, then I would like to hear about it. She has been here for a long time. This is not an exaggeration, or an assumption made on her part, it is something which she has witnessed as being entirely untrue.

Similarly, she has been here long enough to see us calling for the demotion of other wardens, she has seen us petition the Admiral against people who we like and respect because we have lost faith in their ability to fulfill their function here. She has been here long enough to know that we try to demote our own and that it falls on deaf ears.

There is nothing wrong with being angry. There is nothing wrong with feeling that the wardens don't always do their jobs, despite the fact that many of us have gone to lengths to reach out to inmates who are in her position. However anger does not justify being deliberately dishonest. It doesn't justify saying things which you have experienced as being entirely untrue because you want your cause to seem more just, and being angry does not make fabricating dishonest statements an accident!

Honestly sister, I find it laughable that you think that's a defense, when Kirk probably has the exact same excuses for what he's doing right now. He was angry, he was upset, so why are we telling him to come down from the bridge while dismissing his very real emotions of distress?

It's because being angry, being hurt and being in distress does not mean that you are no longer culpable for your actions. I don't see anything wrong with being angry right now, we all are, and I'm sure she does need someone to reach out to her right now.

What she also needs is not to be told that lying is an acceptable response to her anger. What she also needs is to grow up. I stand by that.

[not_annika]

Because, unlike Kirk, Wanda is merely expressing herself, which is a right we all have. Kirk, on the other hand, is endangering us on the weight of a singular experience where he had one other who had experience with directing temporal craft. His excuses for it are irrelevant and not worth more than all our lives. They are not comparable situations.

Whether lying is an acceptable response is not up for debate. Telling someone to 'grow up' is childish in of itself and it is that to which I object. She has been hearing 'grow up' and 'get over it' and other such phrases since she was a child and it is this dismissiveness that is currently damaging her attempts to graduate, the evidence of which you can not only see in her original comment but each comment she has made since.

[buywithme]

I'm not saying that the two actions are comparable, I'm saying that anger is not any more a justification for her behavior than it is anyone else's. She's free to express herself however she likes, but her anger doesn't alleviate her from the responsibility for what she says, or remove anyone else's right to respond.

And sister, I will tell you in complete honesty, I did not say it as an insult, I did not say it to detract from her pain, I said it because she is an adult. No, she should not be dismissed, and yes she should be able to ask for help, but how does making random dishonest accusations actually get her the help she needs? How will she graduate if she both ignores genuine offers of help, and then insists that the wardens here are corrupt and neglectful? Even from reading her conversation with her warden, it looks from a purely external perspective, as though Steph tried to approach her, and she pushed her away in anger.

There is a degree of personal responsibility to be taken towards graduation. Right now I think she has chosen to interpret small acts of neglect as corruption and favoritism, despite the fact that countless people here are clearly trying to help her, yourself included.

I don't think we'll agree about this Sister. What I would say is that since you clearly know more about her situation than I do, since you've clearly seen her coming to this point? Perhaps you could actually try and give her the support that she needs to facilitate her way to graduation? I've talked in the past about trying to help people I wasn't paired with, and I've made offers, but clearly in this situation I'm not going to be of any assistance.

[not_annika]

By bringing it up and saying that their emotions are the same you are in fact comparing them. We shouldn't require the inmates to simply swallow their anger because they're expressing it in a manner that at worse makes us feel judged unfairly or gives a false impression to an inmate that doesn't appear to have much of a good one to start with.

With respect, the way you expressed it, it was dismissive, even if you had not intended it to be so. Wanda is not one of the psychics on board, she cannot divine your meaning when it is unclear.

It is unfortunate that you feel you cannot help, though I would suggest that even though your opinion differs from hers and mine, that does not mean you have nothing to teach her.

[buywithme]

My meaning was perfectly clear Sister. I think she behaved badly, and she needs to grow up despite her anger, just like the rest of us. I just explained to you with as much clarity as I could why I think that is.

[Then there's a beat, and now he actually sounds angry:]

Sister, throughout this discussion we've been having? You've told me that you've seen her publicly asking for help, expressing that she feels isolated and ignored, and that you have a specific understanding of how dismissive actions hinder her graduation because apparently you know her. I really don't.

If she ever came to me for help, support, or protection, then I would do everything that I could to give her that, but if you're telling me that I should try and help her because you're not planning on doing anything yourself, then as far as I'm concerned this conversation is over.

[not_annika]

I made no remark about whether or not I was planning to do anything. I don't understand why you would therefore infer that I was therefore going to do nothing when I did not correct your initial assumption that I would continue to be involved.

[buywithme]

'Continue'?

[He's tempted to point out that this isn't doing much to support Wandas argument that she's not got wardens bending over backwards to help her here, but there's really no point.]

That's good then. I don't see any reason for us to discuss anything else.

[not_annika]

Yes. [She didn't argue that Wanda hasn't got wardens to help her, she argued that Wanda doesn't feel most of them care.]

It is perhaps best.