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[prayformefather]

[Filtered away from Admiral Kirk]

[Hi, Barge. The younger, darker haired Kirkfais on board is not pleased with Jim's shenanigans, and is not bothering to hide this fact in the slightest. HE ALREADY HATED YOU ON PRINCIPLE FOR HAVING HIS FACE, AND NOW YOU DO THIS.

... Actually really he just kind of wants to make Jim's life miserable and doesn't care particularly about the take over itself. Luther is a little shit. :c]

So is anyone actually going to do something about this, or are we just going to sit around letting him get away with whatever he wants? I thought wardens were supposed to be, you know, people who wouldn't do this kind of thing?

And this is the second time he's done it? Why is he still a warden?

Comments

[not_annika]

Because, unlike Kirk, Wanda is merely expressing herself, which is a right we all have. Kirk, on the other hand, is endangering us on the weight of a singular experience where he had one other who had experience with directing temporal craft. His excuses for it are irrelevant and not worth more than all our lives. They are not comparable situations.

Whether lying is an acceptable response is not up for debate. Telling someone to 'grow up' is childish in of itself and it is that to which I object. She has been hearing 'grow up' and 'get over it' and other such phrases since she was a child and it is this dismissiveness that is currently damaging her attempts to graduate, the evidence of which you can not only see in her original comment but each comment she has made since.

[buywithme]

I'm not saying that the two actions are comparable, I'm saying that anger is not any more a justification for her behavior than it is anyone else's. She's free to express herself however she likes, but her anger doesn't alleviate her from the responsibility for what she says, or remove anyone else's right to respond.

And sister, I will tell you in complete honesty, I did not say it as an insult, I did not say it to detract from her pain, I said it because she is an adult. No, she should not be dismissed, and yes she should be able to ask for help, but how does making random dishonest accusations actually get her the help she needs? How will she graduate if she both ignores genuine offers of help, and then insists that the wardens here are corrupt and neglectful? Even from reading her conversation with her warden, it looks from a purely external perspective, as though Steph tried to approach her, and she pushed her away in anger.

There is a degree of personal responsibility to be taken towards graduation. Right now I think she has chosen to interpret small acts of neglect as corruption and favoritism, despite the fact that countless people here are clearly trying to help her, yourself included.

I don't think we'll agree about this Sister. What I would say is that since you clearly know more about her situation than I do, since you've clearly seen her coming to this point? Perhaps you could actually try and give her the support that she needs to facilitate her way to graduation? I've talked in the past about trying to help people I wasn't paired with, and I've made offers, but clearly in this situation I'm not going to be of any assistance.

[not_annika]

By bringing it up and saying that their emotions are the same you are in fact comparing them. We shouldn't require the inmates to simply swallow their anger because they're expressing it in a manner that at worse makes us feel judged unfairly or gives a false impression to an inmate that doesn't appear to have much of a good one to start with.

With respect, the way you expressed it, it was dismissive, even if you had not intended it to be so. Wanda is not one of the psychics on board, she cannot divine your meaning when it is unclear.

It is unfortunate that you feel you cannot help, though I would suggest that even though your opinion differs from hers and mine, that does not mean you have nothing to teach her.

[buywithme]

My meaning was perfectly clear Sister. I think she behaved badly, and she needs to grow up despite her anger, just like the rest of us. I just explained to you with as much clarity as I could why I think that is.

[Then there's a beat, and now he actually sounds angry:]

Sister, throughout this discussion we've been having? You've told me that you've seen her publicly asking for help, expressing that she feels isolated and ignored, and that you have a specific understanding of how dismissive actions hinder her graduation because apparently you know her. I really don't.

If she ever came to me for help, support, or protection, then I would do everything that I could to give her that, but if you're telling me that I should try and help her because you're not planning on doing anything yourself, then as far as I'm concerned this conversation is over.

[not_annika]

I made no remark about whether or not I was planning to do anything. I don't understand why you would therefore infer that I was therefore going to do nothing when I did not correct your initial assumption that I would continue to be involved.

[buywithme]

'Continue'?

[He's tempted to point out that this isn't doing much to support Wandas argument that she's not got wardens bending over backwards to help her here, but there's really no point.]

That's good then. I don't see any reason for us to discuss anything else.

[not_annika]

Yes. [She didn't argue that Wanda hasn't got wardens to help her, she argued that Wanda doesn't feel most of them care.]

It is perhaps best.